Posted by aim deuelle luski on January 17, 1998 at 13:33:08:
In Reply to: Re: Deleuze & the dialectic posted by d tyler huff on February 23, 1997 at 16:18:27:
: : Hello to Rainer and all. can I submit a comment? I quess so.
: : It seems to me that the essay on Sacher Masoch is
: : less an effort to " de-idealize psychoanalysis,
: : to make the same operation with psychoanalysis as
: : Karl Marx had made with Hegel" than it is to fuck
: : with Hegel's dialectic on a deeper level. Deleuze's
: : quarrel with the dialectic is more in the spirit
: : of Bataille and Nietzsche's anti dialecticism than
: : marx's materialism. The reason I say this is that
: : Marx's materialist critique of Hegel maintians the
: : structure of the dialectic, he just sees it in a
: : materialist history of production rather than the
: : movement of historical world spirit, bla bla bla.
: : sacher Masoch is not Hegel per se, but Freud
: : applies a dialectical notion of power and
: : eroticism in interpretting a "sado-masochistic"
: : subject. This is what Deleuze wants to attack.
: : For Deleuze, Freud's sado-masochistic couple
: : resemble Hegels's Lord-Bondsman, and he wants to
: : disrupt this tidy dialectical reciprocity.
: : I don't think he really makes a critique of
: : psychoanalysis per se (at least not to my mind a
: : strong enough one), and he certainly doesn't
: : "stand Freud on his head" rather, he continues a
: : criticism of Hegel which continues to obsess
: : french theory today, and begins the "schizophrenic"
: : stuff he is to develop in anti oedipus.
: : sb.
: :