THE DUNGEON


{following is the nearly complete text of the first iteration of "Madame J.'s
Dungeon".  Spelling has been corrected unless it was word-play or so obscure
that the meaning could not be discerned.  Punctuation has not been corrected
or standardized.  The restriction screen shown below was added quite late,
sometime in the first week in April, 1992}


                         PER SI TRA LA PERDUTA GENTE                         

       To gain access to the dungeon you have to be a registered user    
       and obtain permission from Mde.J (leave e-mail for Julia Scher).
       

                         Parental guidance suggested


Msg#:   37 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-14-92 19:45:38
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: ALL MONSTERS
Subj: SUBMISSION IN THE NET
now is the time for all submissives to come to the aid of their libidinal
desires. nominal torture and related goodies are in store for you if you just
are patient and stay in our juicy net long enough.  The dungeon consists of
four separate rooms equipped with assorted hardware and softs. hold on you
bastards for the next message. yes, just wait, just wait


Msg#:   38 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-14-92 22:41:35
From: CONSTANCE VETRINE
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 37 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
What ever happened to subversion in the net?  And you must know that slaves
are a nuiscance, indeed a noosecense.  Nonsense is (f)logged close behind & and
your dungeon will be bloated with a host of pathetic men who want to suck on
your toes, scrub your bathroom floors, use your dialogue at command and
generally annoy you until you taunt them with the ultimate transgression: 
swinging on the grid, or the net - it's the materiality, I believe, that gets
them.  Suddenly they straighten their hunched and wilting backs to reprimand
you for your unrulyness, you unweildyness, the wilderness of your wriylyness.

     Take it from me: take it from me.  


Msg#:   44 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-15-92 23:42:57
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: CONSTANCE VETRINE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 38 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
Yo, Connie:  I'm not sure you're the one to be talking to Sister J.  You don't
seem to have had much luck running your encampment; how unruly they sound. 
How could you possibly allow them to criticize you?  Their Mistress?  If you
can't dominate and you don't want to be submissive what will you do?  Introduce
more obscure coinages and funny spellings?  It seems to me the question is: 
Can YOU take it?  How about taking it like a man?


Msg#:   61 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-16-92 15:57:03
From: CONSTANCE VETRINE
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 44 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
I enjoy ladies' handbags far too much to take anything from or like a man.


Msg#:   79 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-16-92 22:41:56
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 37 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
Dearest Julia, How so sweet of you to appear on the screen.  We always wait,
with such expectations, for your prompt appearance, and then you disappear,
for how long ?


Msg#:   80 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-16-92 22:46:35
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: CONSTANCE VETRINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 38 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
don't you realize, sweet Constance, that no man has any desire to scrub any
floor, but only contemplate the mirror of their desires as conveyed through
the fantasies of seeing a delicate woman scrub the floor for them... As for the
toes, they really have to be like gems, evocative of the rahat loukhoums we
wish we could eat, with this suave taste of too much sweet...  We want other
forms of domination, maybe the one of the mind, who knows... We want more of
the nectar.  The cruelest is to make us
wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Msg#:   86 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-17-92 15:39:18
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 80 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
My dear Sir whatever it was, while your epistles are, as always, delightful, I
for one would be far more comfortable if you refrained from writing on behalf
of your entire Gender.  If you continue we shall have to put you on stage with
Robert Bly.


Msg#:   93 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-17-92 18:42:28
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: CONSTANCE VETRINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 61 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
     Well, I can't argue with that.  My main point is that since women are
totally superior to men in all respects they have, how shall we say?, certain
responsibilities.  And men, wretched as they are, have their uses.  I think
there should be a separate area here, exclusively female.  The men will of
course have to humiliate themselves publicly, but the women should be able to 
speak in private if they want.


Msg#:  315 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:20:26
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: CONSTANCE VETRINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 61 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
I want to place a carnivorous slug in your vagina


Msg#:  316 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:20:51
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 80 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
I want to hold your eyes open and pour salt on them.


Msg#:  317 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:21:14
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 86 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
I want to nail your tongue to the floor.


Msg#:  344 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 19:44:42
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 316 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
Good gracious, how evil of yours.  I am definitely not interested.  This is
probably one of the most hideous ideas, that sort of takes us back to the
darkest ages.  Do you also like Nazi insignia, and revere South American
dictator's torture practices?


Msg#:  360 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 23:56:56
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 344 (SUBMISSION IN THE NET)
what do you know about evil?


Msg#:   43 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-15-92 23:38:13
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?
Well, I suppose hostess means hostess like in a restaurant, show me the four
rooms, show me the hard and soft stuff, I don't see anything... and I don't
need no stinking matches.  No doors, no gates, no nested menus, nada!  Julia,
I suppose you're well intentioned, but you obviously don't know the first thing
about how to be proper, dominant, utterly superior BITCH GODDESS, (the kind
men like).  For instance, you don't beg people to wait for something; you tell
them what position to assume and you COMMAND them to wait, or better yet, you
tell them what they're forced to wear, what they're forced to do, how they're
bound or otherwise restrained (in medically graphic detail if necessary); then
you give them just enough of a hint of what's in store for them when you get
back... and then you just walk out the door and let them hang there.  Look,
this ain't no "art thing" here, the Sysop personally told me that you wanted to
deal with the concept of S&M and simultaneously DEMONSTRATE the principles
through virtual interaction, leading up to actual on-line training.  I'm not
sure that's good for anything except possibly an ego stroke.  It certainly
doesn't keep your clothes ironed and your toilet cleaned.  Looks like you got
a long way to go before we get any real teledildonics going around here.  {I
don't mean to dis YOU, if you need some pointers, drop me a line, PRIVATELY}


Msg#:  196 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-26-92 16:00:46
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 43 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
thank you for your thoughtful reply.  As a pre-operation charge,  I would like
to install the following nested list of activity areas.  From within the
responses to these, I will then propose a following list of charges and
demands.  Yes this is not domination not P therefore not N (sic modes tollens)
{sic} test list (I would like to personally test you out for)
    * trace correlate blood, heart, eyeball and skin samples
    * begin internal organ sensing
    * strip search you 
    * restrain you to a bed with a variety of appliances                      
    * penetrate you with chemical agents
    * check you out with behavior and productivity deviance detectors Submit
to me through these checkpoints and I then, promise to provide detention,
detection and evaluation services for you personally, through the system,
Thing. I promise to touch you and manipulate you and caress you.


Msg#:  203 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-26-92 21:33:54
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 196 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
Can I help? Donald


Msg#:  212 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-27-92 03:16:15
From: G.B.
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 196 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
This is now highly exciting.  I really don't think I can wait!  Please do it
soon!  I am not so good with these machines, but I will try to find someone to
help.
Ohhhhh.


Msg#:  246 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-27-92 19:25:32
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 196 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
?!  Yes, well I see you're a modernist, I myself am a traditionalist.  Frankly,
I'll believe it when I see it.  And no, I'm not donating any slaves for that,
call Mistress Alexis.


Msg#:  318 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:22:16
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 196 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
I want to dip your breasts in corrosive slime.


Msg#:  319 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:22:50
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: G.B. (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 212 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
I want to put your testicles in a meat grinder.


Msg#:  385 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 16:37:38
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: G.B. (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 212 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
I don't normally use helpers...but under very specific conditions I do work in
triples.


Msg#:  386 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 16:39:49
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 246 (WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE ANYWAY?)
I never use donated slaves.  Only begging ones.


Msg#:   94 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-17-92 18:44:58
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: MISTRESS JULIA
Subj: VIRTUAL BONDAGE
     Julia, (wherever you are) were you going to do this all yourself, or could
some of the other femmes play too?  You see how it is with these pathetic
little men, they're drawn here like june bugs to a screen door at the merest
thought of being properly dominated, and then all they could do is whine about
how you're not there to humiliate them.  There's a subtext here, too often when
women dominate men, because it's seen as a game, or because some arbitrary
mental line can't be crossed, or there's just some fucked up MALE inability in
terms of intimacy, or there is the confusion of submission with trust, or any
other bullshit -- then what really happens is that the submissive is running
the show, these are the kinds of responsibilities we DON'T want :< !!
I'm not kidding, the whole thing just turns into one more strategy of
oppression.  Yes, it's entirely possible for the submissive to exploit the
dominant.  In fact, in my experience, using the traditional modes of
counter-attack given to women (feminine wiles?) provides one with the perfect
starting point for an invitation to MALE submission and the smoothest
transition into utter dominance --> object of desire -> object of remorse ->
agent of frustration -> agent of torture -> alter-anima -> force of nature
-> Dominatrix.


Msg#:   95 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-17-92 18:46:09
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: ALL MALE CREATURES
Subj: SUBMISSION, PERIOD.
         >>>>>>>>> ENOUGH DICKING AROUND <<<<<<<<<

Hereafter any so-called "man" who wishes to address me will first have to post
a public notice of exactly how they wish to be humiliated, chastised, abused,
restrained, enslaved, or otherwise dominated.  I want our roles properly
defined immediately!  If you're properly submissive, I might even be persuaded
to tell you what I'm wearing on-line.


Msg#:  108 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-18-92 23:57:37
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 95 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
What is exactly the meaning of all this.  Are we entering some area of self-
confidence here.  Do we really want to know all your dirty fantasies.  I
thought this whole dungeon was about thinking.  On line practice seems a little
pale to me.  Anyway, I still believe this could all be handled without such
offense (I guess my previous message was contradictory to that one. However,
this is the stance I am now willing to take: enough castration !!!


Msg#:  110 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-19-92 01:45:28
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 108 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
YOU... are breaking the rules!  You're all the same!  You can't read, you can't
think, you can't run governments.  We'll try it again, you tell me EXACTLY what
you want done to you, and then, and ONLY THEN may you speak to me!  You Worm!
I should ask what you know of castration, but it seems you may know quite a bit
about it.  Submit or be SILENT!  Every breath you draw is an offense to me.


Msg#:  112 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-19-92 04:00:55
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 108 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Benjamin, risking the wrath of our Mistress with this sidebar conversation,
but re: castration, Aren't we all sexless and naked on the net?  Donald


Msg#:  113 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-19-92 04:02:40
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 95 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Beat me, hit me, piss on me.  Or better yet DOMINATE ME WITH YOUR WORDS.
Abjectly yours, D.


Msg#:  116 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-19-92 15:17:15
From: BYRON WATERLOO
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 110 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
I gather this forum is becoming hotter by the minute.  There seems to be
crucial behavioral and ethical issues at stake.  I would say, is there not a
way to deal with submissive attitudes other than assuming typical gender
positions.  I believe this whole exchange of ideas is another proof of this
devastating procrastinating trend.  Submission does not equal aggression, at
least, as far as I am concerned.  Mind you, my lady you seem to be entrenched
in the aesthetics of ritual, and that in itself is pretty close to
procrastination.  I look forward to a comment on that one.   Your servitor,


Msg#:  118 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-19-92 18:41:00
From: PETRA FALUDI
  To: BYRON WATERLOO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 116 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
The Crucial Behavior is yours "BYRON" Why are you hiding?  Others here don't
seem to be.  And as for "Waterloo" perhaps you and "Donald" should get
together.  Of course there's your lees then attentive Mistress NATASHA,
whoever and wherever SHE is.  But I will deal with her later.  All I'll say for
now if that she seems to have gotten your attention but a demonstration of
mastery is lacking, after all we are not ironing shirts here, we are... YOU
FIGURE IT OUT!
Until later, PETRA.


Msg#:  131 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-21-92 20:46:11
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: DONALD NEWMAN (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 113 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
You're not sincere; I can tell.  And I'm certainly not going to be dragged into
any "show me your's first" Game.  It's not SUPPOSED to be easy! 


Msg#:  132 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-21-92 20:48:05
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: BYRON WATERLOO (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 116 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Do you suppose I can't read?  You're the identical feeb I'm not going to
address elsewhere, don't call yourself my servitor.  If you must change your
name to submit then get on with it!


Msg#:  135 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-21-92 22:09:00
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 131 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Natasha, my sweet, I am very sincere, so much so that I showed this YOUR
thread, (after all you did take over, didn't you, in a grand demo of dominance)
to two woman friends of mine, I (and they) found your insights re: force of
nature, INSPIRING, shall we say.  And will regard to your pee-peeing on me,
well... but I do so enjoy our conversations.  And should we continue "People
will say were in love"  Yours, as ever, Donald


Msg#:  142 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-22-92 16:47:58
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: DONALD NEWMAN (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 135 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
      Firstly, I command you not to be so drunk when you address me, I find it 
repulsive (don't tell me vomit is erotic, I don't want to hear it!) and it will
impede your ability to perform; or hadn't you noticed.  You're definitely not 
serious about water sports --if you are, talk to G.B.-- but I think you have
it on the brain, all this about inspiration and forces of nature... were you 
perhaps thinking of flash floods?  I think you have a serious suppressed kink 
there, perhaps we'll discuss it later.  As far as what people will say... Men
will say you're a spineless, pussy-whipped clown.  Women will say you're a
productive member of your gender, whose members are usually far from
productive.
      I've thought a lot about what's happening here, and I decided to follow
my own method, you all obviously need something to start with.  Understand
that I will not continue until I received DETAILED statements of submission,
merely closing with "yr obt svt" or some other shit is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
      I am six foot two in five inch heels.


Msg#:  149 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-22-92 20:37:07
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 142 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.) Natasha, my pet, my sweet, my
darling.  I have never been, nor will ever  be, drunk while replying to your
messages.  And yes it does impede my performance - and I'm glad your
concerned.  But you must forgive me  (oh how I would beg) but it is impossible
for me to reply in DETAIL  with plans for my debasement since, as you so
cleverly noted in my first message, I have no such desires.  However, 5'9" is
quite tall and I do hope your hair is black. Pray, tell me more.  Are your eyes
blue, your skin pale, and do men stare at you with desire? Your number one fan,
Donald


Msg#:  151 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-23-92 01:57:31
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: DONALD NEWMAN (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 149 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
You're starting to get snotty, and quite presumptuous.  Keep this up and I'll
stop talking to you.


Msg#:  157 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-23-92 18:05:30
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 151 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
That's it.  This is your message.  Is boredom domination?  If you keep this up
I'll stop speaking to YOU.  oh, hum, Donald


Msg#:  158 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-24-92 15:52:17
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: DONALD NEWMAN (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 157 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Slaves are NEVER bored.  And this is very boring.  I really don't know why I
bother.  You fucked up cosmically when you tried to describe me, did it occur
to you that I might not have those particular attributes?  This is not phone
sex, I don't look like what YOU want me to look like.  This isn't physical
either, and I've decided it never will be.  How long do your relationships
normally last?  Really?, then how long with women you can't con?  Not as
boring... are they?  You've been a bad doggy, you won't get pet and you won't
get a bone.  Someone should print out the Constitution, roll it up and use that
on you. ...and stay away from my furniture!


Msg#:  322 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:26:00
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: PETRA FALUDI
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 118 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
I want to slash the soles of your feet with a razor, each a hundred times.


Msg#:  323 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:26:39
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 142 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
I want to shove a high heel up your ass and drive it in with a ball-peen
hammer.


Msg#:  402 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 21:08:37
From: SYSOP
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 108 (SUBMISSION, PERIOD.)
Just curious, in light of later events:  do you still find on-line practice "a
little pale"?


Msg#:  167 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-24-92 20:12:03
From: SYSOP
  To: ALL
Subj: MADAME J.'S DESIRES
We have recently finished a session with Julia, and she has BIG plans.  you can
all continue doing whatever it is you think you're doing here, but J. wants to
do something very specific (and manifold); something more like her art.  The
bad news is that it will take a great deal of work to realize it in System
Definition Language.  These things do not spring Athena-like from the head of
the SysOp.  Unless someone like NLP can get a slave down here to do the actual
programming you all really ARE going to have to wait.  We will start work next
week, but it might take a while.  Please be patient, Julia has something rather
complicated in mind.  Refer to her original message.  In the mean time... as
you were.


Msg#:  248 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-27-92 19:28:56
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: SYSOP (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 167 (MADAME J.'S DESIRES)
Ssssssss.


Msg#:  324 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:28:03
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: SYSOP (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 167 (MADAME J.'S DESIRES)
I want to take off your skin with a linoleum knife.


Msg#:  174 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-25-92 20:32:22
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: NO BORING AT ALL
Now we're getting some where... Why would you think that my questions revealed
what I WANTED you to look like.  Really, that would of been too obvious a
mistake for me to make.  Really, do you always have such low regard for your
slaves.  That must be boring.  I mean isn't it been, necessary to respect those
dominated.  Relationships... did anyone tell you that I am moving to NY after
leaving my wife of seven years.  (Is that boring?)  As far as the other
women... yes, they are always more fun when they can't be conned.  Deception
so much destroys intimacy and leaves the (never mind)  and that's why I do so
enjoy our conversations... but alas it's so disappointing to know that it will
never be physical.  And with regard to phone sex, if you haven't read Vox I
STRONGLY recommend (if a slave is allowed such a thing) reading at least from
the top of page 126 to mid 127 - you can do so st the bookstore of your choice.
And relationships, tell me more. Do you have them?  Donald


Msg#:  247 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-27-92 19:28:26
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: DONALD NEWMAN (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 174 (NO BORING AT ALL)
Bah!  Listen you little slut, if you want me to read something, scan it and
post it.  Got that Donny?


Msg#:  178 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-25-92 23:01:02
From: TONY BILLONI
  To: J.S.
Subj: TV OR NOT TV
Julia, I must admit my apprehensiveness to be virtual with you I mean on our
first go round.  I look ahead to revealing ourselves to each other in Buffalo
at least through a tube and a monitor. tony


Msg#:  197 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-26-92 16:24:31
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: TONY BILLONI
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 178 (TV OR NOT TV)
thank you for your insertion into the Thing.  It is a pleasure to see you here
in the dungeon. I would like to introduce you to several of the products we
will be using here in the dungeon.  
*Identity functioning and health altering drugs
*Cross talk gender functioning inhibitors
*De-catastrophizing drugs for after response
*Re-outcome therapies to reformulate automatic thoughts
*Computer castrations
*Regression programs
I hope you will log on and form an interest in some of these agent activities
over the next two weeks that I remain in  New York'\\\\\\Love julia


Msg#:  211 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-27-92 02:52:35
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 197 (TV OR NOT TV)
Bride of Dr. Adder!


Msg#:  325 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:28:59
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: TONY BILLONI
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 178 (TV OR NOT TV)
I want to slice off your nose and pour tabasco sauce into the wound.


Msg#:  179 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-25-92 23:41:54
From: JEFFREY VALJEAN COOK
  To: JULIA
Subj: I WAS ON, BUT I SEE NO PROVISION
well, last time i tried this it aborted my typing before i was finished...I am
now scared to type anything complicated...anyway, it seems to be working ok
now...i'm going to austin apr 21-22 to visit with computational logic inc
(cli), and will see clif braun then.  don't know when i'll get to see you next,
unless you really do come out to LA.  anyway, enough of this bull, no time, see
you later..Jeffrey Valjean Cook


Msg#:  198 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-26-92 16:39:10
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: JEFFREY VALJEAN COOK
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 179 (I WAS ON, BUT I SEE NO PROVI)
Dear Jeffrey Valjean Cook So good to see you in the dungeon. I am hot and
excited to see you here.   Here I am roaming, here in the dungeon, wearing
sweaty leathers and lycras and ready to throw my heavy spiked program
harnesses into your brain port.  I hope you will come to my dirty data port.
Here, there will be four rooms for your bodily slave antics-to be preformed
for me. Here, you can come into the calibrated force harnesses, mouth pieces
and mouth dams, eye locks, computer lung regulators, sharpened steel
instrumentation, computer exhaustion chamber, fake body organ transport
vehicle (our high speed modem) computer counter surveillance sitting pod, and
software injectable room for reformulating workstation atmosphere. See you
on the board-but you must dress in leathers. love and a whack julia


Msg#:  327 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:33:45
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: JEFFREY VALJEAN COOK
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 179 (I WAS ON, BUT I SEE NO PR)
I want to put electrical clamps on your nipples and fill your mouth with
aluminum foil.


Msg#:  262 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-29-92 17:01:34
From: DONALD NEWMAN
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: NOT BORING AT ALL
Got it! But, no scanner, no time, and I don't CARE if you read it.  Regards,
Donny


Msg#:  267 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
03-29-92 20:36:39
From: CHIP BERLET
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!
Oh, good, I can't wait to see all this typed up and presented in our collective
trial for subversion and pornography after Pat Buchanan is elected President.
That would be shortly after all BBS's are seized on suspicion of sending
proscribed messages that threaten the security of the US of A.  Hope to see
some of your hand maiden's tail!


Msg#:  326 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:29:59
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: CHIP BERLET (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 267 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
I want to cut your penis in half and tie the ends to your ears.


Msg#:  388 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 17:06:24
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: CHIP BERLET (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 267 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
Thank you Chip! Will promise to write  From Germany etc. as soon as I set up
there....until then keep up your transfigurations. love julia


Msg#:  390 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 17:48:44
From: CHIP BERLET
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 326 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
Felix, I certainly would look foolish that way...not to mention the pain
involved. What is that process called? Dictation?


Msg#:  410 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-05-92 16:14:36
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: CHIP BERLET
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 390 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
YES, I BELIEVE THEY ARE CALLED DICK TATTERS


Msg#:  438 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:27:05
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: CHIP BERLET
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 390 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
you would be more than foolish, you would be helpless.


Msg#:  439 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:28:02
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: JULIA SCHER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 410 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
i conclude you did not need your breasts.


Msg#:  494 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-09-92 22:08:32
From: CHIP BERLET
  To: JULIA SCHER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 410 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
Perhaps the Dick Tatter would leave me helpless in a penal colony?


Msg#:  495 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-10-92 01:17:27
From: REX BABYLONIUM
  To: CHIP BERLET (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 267 (OH, GOOD, CAN'T WAIT!)
I know of a people, to the south west, who have such colonies.  These are
communities made up of eunuchs rejected for service in the Great Temple. 
They undergo "the Gift of Ishtar" before they apply, in anticipation of laying
their root at upon the Holy Hearth.  However, when rejected, they are given
fine, near translucent, jade receptacles containing their members to wear on
chains about their necks.  They tend to congregate in small villages in the
hill country, and though often very poor, are for the most part too proud to
part with their receptacles.


Msg#:  314 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:14:51
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: ???
Subj: ARGHHHH!
i want you to suffer. i want you to suffer great pain.  i want you to have
wounds and horrible, painful bleeding apertures.  i want you all to suffer.
suffer and die.  i hate you all. 


Msg#:  370 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-03-92 18:09:09
From: SYSOP
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 314 (ARGHHHH!)
Felix, in the next two weeks we will be restructuring the dungeon.  At that
point we can include an area for "abnormal desires" or perhaps "disfiguring
abuse".  Until then perhaps you could hold off in your on-line manifestation
of The Great Satan.  Sooner or later everyone will figure it out and start
ignoring you.  Also, please remember that the Sysop is GOD here, and can
remove all of your messages without a trace... no matter how evil you are.


Msg#:  437 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:25:41
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: SYSOP
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 370 (ARGHHHH!)
too bad, i already replied to something.


Msg#:  328 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 02:35:12
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: ???
Subj: UHHH
i want you all to die.  i want you to feel excruciating pain before your die.


Msg#:  346 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 20:04:33
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 328 (UHHH)
We want you to disappear from our screens, filthy bastard


Msg#:  362 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-03-92 00:13:56
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 328 (UHHH)
Natasha's right, who do you think you're fooling.  I mean, what happens?
First, "Silence of the Lambs" sweeps the Oscars, and not two days later, we
get YOU.  Are the Academy Awards an indication of chic for you?  You could be
better *informed*.  Gorey had a limerick:

      A dreary young bank clerk named Fennis
      Wished to foster an aura of menace;
      To make people afraid
      He wore gloves of grey suede
      And white footgear intended for tennis.


Msg#:  337 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 18:27:03
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: GET REAL
Who do you think you're kidding, I mean what is this shit?  This is like some
phone call with heavy breathing.  You're fat and you have bad skin, I'm sure.
Why don't you go back to the pet shop and buy more fuzzy bunnies to torture,
and leave the grown ups alone?


Msg#:  359 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 23:56:33
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 337 (GET REAL)
big talker, i frighten you after all


Msg#:  364 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-03-92 12:39:28
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 359 (GET REAL)
The fuzzy bunnies, Felix!


Msg#:  436 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:25:10
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 364 (GET REAL)
if i had a fuzzy bunny i would clamp it to a table with a vise very tightly.
this might hurt the bunny.  then I would apply a lubricant to my hand, first
one finger, then the rest.  then i would try to work my entire hand into the
bunny's anus.  i expect this to be quite difficult and only possible because of
the vise constraining the bunny, if it is still alive.  i would reach in as far
as possible and when i had gotten through the large intestine, i would use my
fingernails to reach further.  i would then grab the bunny's heart in my hand
and continue with it until i had reached its esophagus.  then i would force
open the bunny's jaws from within and after i had the entire bunny impaled on
my arm i would drop its heart in front of its mouth.


Msg#:  466 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 01:34:45
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 436 (GET REAL)
Jesus Christ on a bicycle, I think I'm going to be sick!  And I do believe I
had previously stated that I DO NOT LIKE VOMIT.  YOU are seriously fucking up
whatever program I might have had here "before the change".  I'm already trying
to define fear, and as something between men and women, as something about
roles.  You come along and say, "fear, fear, I'll whack off your willy".
That's EASY.  You're a pathetic piker, and if I ever get a hold of you you'll
be on a flagpole before you can say Ozzy Osbourne.  And how did you get all
that black screen after your message anyway?


Msg#:  482 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 21:30:55
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: NATASHA LAPUENTE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 466 (GET REAL)
to answer your question, i command all blacknesses.  i no longer want to shove
the heel up your ass... i now want you stripped naked and folded over a
truncated saw-horse with your wrists and ankles fixed to the floor with
industrial staples then i will take your high heeled shoe and coat the toe with
chunky peanut butter and then hold your anus apart with strapping tape and
then shove the entire shoe into your rectum and drive it home with a sledge
hammer so that it tears the through your cloacal membrane and it vanishes
within you.


Msg#:  486 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 22:21:29
From: NATASHA LAPUENTE
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 482 (GET REAL)
You're getting real poetic you know that?  I think I've got it figured out, I
think you're desperately trying to impress me -- that must be the Darwinian
Model they're talking about in the other area -- yeah, big strong  male.
Bullshit, I know what you really want.  And I'm sure you're fat, and I think
you're a failed artist with a construction job, you're always mentioning food
and hardware store shit.  You wouldn't know REAL torture if the mind police put
you on the soma-rack and turned you inside out.  You don't fool me for a
second with this 'anal invader' shit, I know as you write every word all you're
really thinking about, is me with a jet black, ten inch dildo strapped on and
doing you to death.  It's all transference.  Get help or get done.


Msg#:  490 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 23:41:08
From: REX BABYLONIUM
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 436 (GET REAL)
I know of a People, far to the north, who wear rabbits as arm ornaments in this
way; however I believe that the rabbits are first preserved before they are
worn.


Msg#:  345 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 20:02:27
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: S&M
will upload a text later


Msg#:  347 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 20:10:57
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MESSAGE 314
You are so revolting it makes me laugh.  Either you are dangerous, and should
be treated immediately, or you are stupidly provocative, which means you also
need treatment too; or you are so gravely sick you should probably be shut in
a mental hospital for the rest of your life.  In any case, the only feeling I
can have beyond my being disgusted and somehow deeply horrified, is immense
pity.  Mental help is at the corner of the street.  Just make sure you never
log on again.


Msg#:  361 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 23:58:03
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 347 (REPLY TO MESSAGE 314)
are you circumcised?  i could do it in an interesting way


Msg#:  387 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-04-92 16:44:19
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: BENJAMIN WEIL (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 347 (REPLY TO MESSAGE 314)
I was just thinking it would be of interest to solicit feedback on some of the
questions raised by our uninvited little monster.  The following come to mind:
The fragility/invulnerability of the skin, the permeable nature of flesh, the
power of language, the meaning of fear, the importance of identity and the
assumption of hyperrealist persona, the identification of the self with the
body.


Msg#:  348 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-02-92 20:12:50
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: FOLLOWED TO MESSAGE 314
The only positive thing that comes to my mind is that this dungeon should be
highly restricted area, only for people who have enough of a mind to handle it
cautiously. Others should definitely stay out.


Msg#:  406 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-05-92 03:12:00
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: CLOVEN HOOF AND CLEFT PALETTE
        You know Felix, I was thinking, Satan is boring; Lucifer is sometimes
interesting, but conceptually, NATAS is just plain boring.  Anyway, I'm sorry
for making fun of you, you can be The Great Deceiver if you want; especially
since you have been informed of the SysOp's Grand Pentagram of Solomon.  I
think it's interesting that BW immediately thought of fascist dictators, I used
to think the misinformation about Nazi-ism and the 3rd Reich in general did
violence to history and was wrong; as I got older, I began to see that of far
greater importance is that the western world was able to generate a concrete
definition of evil, using Hitler and his state as a template; I think that this
common definition of evil is of vital importance, and may even have saved the
world from nuclear annihilation.
        I'd also like to share with you and everyone else how I actually took
your proposal.  My earlier comment to you (while truthful) smacks of the
knee-jerk, CB's response was far more dismissive. [we all respond so
differently!  I find this highly cool and very informative --  was that on your
mind?  I'm not sure I want to give you that much credit]  Anyway I must admit
some slight embarrassment on letting you get a rise out of me.  As far as I'm
concerned I will carry on complete with your annotations about changes in my
anatomy.  Strange that I felt no pain when you nailed my tongue to the floor! 
What do you think?  Anyway I WILL tell you what I felt when I first saw your
text.  My comment was the third or fourth I read from you and by then I
realized that anyone who left a message would be so treated.  As I waited to
hear what you wanted to do to me, I felt this strange calm, like looking down
(that is to say, into) the barrel of a rifle; the calm was that of
acknowledging the inevitable. What you gave me, was the absolute cynosure of
MORBID FASCINATION, thank you; I hadn't had it in a while.
        I think you should be more rigorous in your editing, there were more
clues from the different people whereby you could have personalized the
abuse a bit more.  (and I don't really know why you didn't pull out my
fingernails, it made me think you were unaware of the medium, and I suppose
that made it scarier, yeah, o.k.)  Some of your stuff was ingenuous to the
point of poesis, other parts merely ingenuous, if you try to continue this you
will be straining your imagination... be careful, you already got quite trite
on a couple of them.
        Well, buddy, what can I tell you?  If you're good at it, you might find
a home, but you'll have to be very good.  Personally, I ended my relationship
with Malik Tous years ago, right now I think of him as I would a noisy
neighbor.  You on the other hand lost even your nuisance status somewhere
around daylight savings time.  I think you could be an excellent catharsis and
general stimulant, maybe we'll start a forum called "snuffstuff".  Gosh, it
must be hard to be Satan.  Tell us about it.


Msg#:  440 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:29:15
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 406 (CLOVEN HOOF AND CLEFT PALETTE)
i would not tel _you_ i was SATAN.  i know HIS power.


Msg#:  407 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-05-92 03:42:23
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: JULIA SCHER (Rcvd)
Subj: MONSTERS
At first I wanted to chide you on calling potential D's and S's 'monsters'.  I
think it's politically important to recognize the normalcy of these conditions.
And then there was Felix...  I don't know, I guess it's late, I just read this
whole board and I can't help but find it funny.  It's like a cross between
Moliere and Ionescu and early Shepard.  Yes, Felix is a monster, but he's such
a *little* monster, he's almost cute; and if he works hard and makes his stuff
more poetically associative... I think he's o.k.  the desire to disfigure is
monstrous, does everyone agree?  But hell, we're not our bodies, we're
certainly not our screens!  I think Felix is harder for those that read him in
monochrome, it's all so much more stark!  It's like some monstrous little bug
crawling around, yes, it's somewhat disgusting when it crawls over one's foot,
but far more often one can enjoy other's discomfort; besides it can't be fun
for Evil Incarnate when such a high proportion of his potential victims make
fun of him.  I think monsters are way cool, did anyone else hear D. Skal's talk
at the Whitney program two weeks ago?  It was about the romance of Monsters,
it was very interesting.  The point is that I *don't* think S&M is monstrous,
yet I find monsters important.  I think we should have a place for monsters and
things monstrous, maybe not in the dungeon, but somewhere.


Msg#:  442 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:31:13
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 407 (MONSTERS)
this is all a response to great fear, deserved fear.


Msg#:  462 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 00:12:04
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 442 (MONSTERS)
Not necessarily, I think a lot of us feel somehow monstrous and tend to
romanticize the status of the monster.  Of course, in an everyday sense,
monsters aren't romantic or heroic at all.  Look at you, for instance.  And
even then, I find myself somehow romanticizing your monstrous qualities.  Ah
well.


Msg#:  481 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 21:24:11
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 462 (MONSTERS)
i don't think about that.  i just think about what makes me cum.  i don't want
to nail your tongue to the floor anymore.  i want to rip it out of you mouth
with heavy gauge pliers and then stuff it back down your throat 'til you choke
and gasp and turn blue while the blood pours from your mouth.


Msg#:  497 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-10-92 01:22:17
From: REX BABYLONIUM
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 407 (MONSTERS)
Since many of the diverse people in manifold regions may seem monstrous to
those who never leave their caves and marshes.  I propose that discussion of
such strange and wonderful forms of human kind be moved to the Room of the
World.


Msg#:  522 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-14-92 17:31:46
From: BLACKHAWK
  To: REX BABYLONIUM (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 497 (MONSTERS)
If I understand you, then by that logic one could move the thread into the 8th
Day.


Msg#:  524 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-14-92 21:49:10
From: REX BABYLONIUM
  To: BLACKHAWK (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 522 (MONSTERS)
I was under the impression that the day you cite is the place of the people who
essay the work of the gods.  I was pointing out that the world is a vast place
and filled with folk who might be considered monstrous by others.


Msg#:  411 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-05-92 16:24:55
From: JULIA SCHER
  To: ALL
Subj:   MARY SHELLEY  FRANKENSTEIN
I suggest we all read "Frankenstein" and conference on it later...ref. "enough
despair to hope..."


Msg#:  416 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-05-92 20:59:31
From: G.B.
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR (Rcvd)
Subj: ON-LINE TORTURE
I must say that at first I was very shocked and quite frightened.  I then
became frightened to go back to this area.  Later I calmed down, though it took
several days.  When I got back on and read what everyone else thought I felt
much better.  My first response was incomprehension that this sort of thing
was allowed, then I realized that this is America and in a way it's still the
Wild West here.  And of course, I realized that Felix didn't really do anything
to me.
I don't know why I was so afraid, I didn't think Felix knew who I was, I don't
even use my full name here; I suppose there was something about being
addressed.  I must be one of those people, I still get excited about receiving
mail.  I didn't read Felix' message when I first got on (I find that
confusing), if I had, it might have been worse.  I sometimes think of evil in
terms of sex, but I never thought of the two things in conjunction with
violence, I still find that very terrible.
Well I must say that this message isn't as profound or witty as some of the
others but I feel much better having written it.  Thanks to all.


Msg#:  441 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-07-92 00:29:47
From: FELIX MELCHIOR
  To: G.B.
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 416 (ON-LINE TORTURE)
but i'm not finished with you yet.


Msg#:  487 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-08-92 23:21:45
From: G.B.
  To: ALL
Subj: ABUSE
How do you all do this?  You must have "Sang Froid" beyond what I can muster.
I still find this Felix Person very upsetting, I'm trying hard, I don't know
how some of you stay so cool, he truly frightens me.


Msg#:  539 *MDE.J's DUNGEON*
04-15-92 00:28:14
From: BENJAMIN WEIL
  To: FELIX MELCHIOR
Subj: RESPONSE TO YOUR MESSAGES
My immediate response to your personal message was to write directly about
your frightful desire to pour salt in my open eyes.  Reading the other weird
fantasies you seem to have on others makes me want to actually develop the
notion of Sadistic practices in the realm of fascism.  The oppression of any
form of opposition, this incredible fasci (I never really thought about the
proximity of the two words)nation for extremely violent practices are totally
alien to me.  The notion of submission in the frame of a sado-masochistic
relationship is customary in most people's life.  Each of us probably assumes
the position of the sadist, the masochist, or both at once.  When you do not
immediately relate to the kind of patterns people try to interact with you, 
it may happen before you even notice.  It is on that level, and that one only
that I was interested in participating to that forum.  Not to deal with pseudo
enactments of violence which I really do not care for.  On another hand, it
seems that I have to yield and  admit that, indeed, SM is not only for these
dark clubs where people play SM and beat or get beaten up, have their sexes
- or any other body parts: tongues ?- mishandled to what seems to be
describable as a momentum of pleasure.  This forum might be getting out of
hand, if people assume that they can express their fantasies, or make other
believe, in order to provocate, which ever position you are in.  What an
intrusion !  Maybe there are no other ways to deal with SM matters, and I have
misunderstood the function of the Dungeon ever since the beginning.  However,
I still think there other ways to deal with things.  By the way, same applies
to others, like Natasha Lapuente, for instance.  Look forward to your
response...


{the last few messages were not recorded before the catastrophe and are
permanently lost.  If memory serves the exchange was as follows:
FM to GB, "And with good reason, by the way I know who you are."
GB to FM, "That's it, I've had enough, I am now calling the police."
BW to GB, "Ah so deska." original was spelled phonetically}